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	<title>Comments on: Gospel Essentials, Redux</title>
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		<title>By: symphonyofdissent</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2232</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 06:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a convert to the church and I had a pretty negative experience with the Gospel Essentials Class. I think the first one I attended was on the topic of Chastity and it went down hill from there. I love the idea that the lessons be tailored to the needs of investigators and focused on basic topics such as faith in Jesus Christ and Baptism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a convert to the church and I had a pretty negative experience with the Gospel Essentials Class. I think the first one I attended was on the topic of Chastity and it went down hill from there. I love the idea that the lessons be tailored to the needs of investigators and focused on basic topics such as faith in Jesus Christ and Baptism.</p>
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		<title>By: C Jones</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2231</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that the most useful comments in the other thread were the ones by people who are converts themselves. Matt W in #25, Molly Bennion in #64, Tracy M in #32. And Ardis always has useful things to say.

Sure, investigators come to church because a neighbor has been a good example, or they like the attention from the missionaries or whatever, but the ones who keep coming around are looking for something: the burden of sin lifted,
some sense of the meaning of life- why are we here, etc. They&#039;re not looking to be wowed necessarily, but it&#039;s more like-- what&#039;s in this for me? In the best sense possible, of course.

But still probably not what you&#039;re after, right? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that the most useful comments in the other thread were the ones by people who are converts themselves. Matt W in #25, Molly Bennion in #64, Tracy M in #32. And Ardis always has useful things to say.</p>
<p>Sure, investigators come to church because a neighbor has been a good example, or they like the attention from the missionaries or whatever, but the ones who keep coming around are looking for something: the burden of sin lifted,<br />
some sense of the meaning of life- why are we here, etc. They&#8217;re not looking to be wowed necessarily, but it&#8217;s more like&#8211; what&#8217;s in this for me? In the best sense possible, of course.</p>
<p>But still probably not what you&#8217;re after, right? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2230</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if it wouldn&#039;t work for you to pick out your 5 or 6 lessons from the Gospel Principles manual that line up best with the lessons investigators are getting from the missionaries and Preach My Gospel. You could have them thoroughly prepared and be ready to give them at the drop of a hat, just as the missionaries are with their versions.

Your versions, though, could include somewhat broader content than the missionaries cover, with additional scripture and illustration and whatever else is part of your teaching style. Since your investigator wouldn&#039;t be the only one in the class, the discussion could be broader and deeper than he may have got with the missionaries. This would be something familiar, something that reassures an investigator that we&#039;re consistent in our teachings (i.e., the missionaries aren&#039;t sugar-coating what we believe), but it almost certainly would include something unfamiliar about the familiar subject.

I guess I&#039;m really just repeating B. Russ&#039;s suggestion, with the reassurance to you that you *could* have these lessons ready at a moment&#039;s notice, and they *could* have a knock-your-socks-off quality if you had prepared and tried them out enough so that your delivery and organization were the best they could be, and your stories worked because you had knocked off the rough edges, and your scriptures were delivered with the spirit in part because you had memorized them and knew how to quote them with the right emphasis.  A lesson that really communicates what prayer is, how it works, and what it can do would be more effective and immediate to an investigator than any lesson on the temple or church history or anything else too foreign to him at this stage could possible be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it wouldn&#8217;t work for you to pick out your 5 or 6 lessons from the Gospel Principles manual that line up best with the lessons investigators are getting from the missionaries and Preach My Gospel. You could have them thoroughly prepared and be ready to give them at the drop of a hat, just as the missionaries are with their versions.</p>
<p>Your versions, though, could include somewhat broader content than the missionaries cover, with additional scripture and illustration and whatever else is part of your teaching style. Since your investigator wouldn&#8217;t be the only one in the class, the discussion could be broader and deeper than he may have got with the missionaries. This would be something familiar, something that reassures an investigator that we&#8217;re consistent in our teachings (i.e., the missionaries aren&#8217;t sugar-coating what we believe), but it almost certainly would include something unfamiliar about the familiar subject.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m really just repeating B. Russ&#8217;s suggestion, with the reassurance to you that you *could* have these lessons ready at a moment&#8217;s notice, and they *could* have a knock-your-socks-off quality if you had prepared and tried them out enough so that your delivery and organization were the best they could be, and your stories worked because you had knocked off the rough edges, and your scriptures were delivered with the spirit in part because you had memorized them and knew how to quote them with the right emphasis.  A lesson that really communicates what prayer is, how it works, and what it can do would be more effective and immediate to an investigator than any lesson on the temple or church history or anything else too foreign to him at this stage could possible be.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott B.</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another possibility is that I am making much ado about something simple that everyone but me understands. 

The reality is that I am a tinkerer and explorer in this sort of thing--I hate leaving things like programs, procedures, and policies alone. I like starting from scratch and examining whether we do things well, or if we just do them. The important thing is that I naturally lean toward the starting assumption that things are just being done, and not done well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility is that I am making much ado about something simple that everyone but me understands. </p>
<p>The reality is that I am a tinkerer and explorer in this sort of thing&#8211;I hate leaving things like programs, procedures, and policies alone. I like starting from scratch and examining whether we do things well, or if we just do them. The important thing is that I naturally lean toward the starting assumption that things are just being done, and not done well.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Russ</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first comment was completely sarcastic, however, if I missed it with the second one . . . I guess I&#039;m not getting it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first comment was completely sarcastic, however, if I missed it with the second one . . . I guess I&#8217;m not getting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott B.</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B.Russ,
When I post what I did a couple of weeks ago, I think you&#039;ll see what I am shooting for. I have done a horrible job of explaining the thoughts behind my approach--so it&#039;s no one&#039;s fault but my own that I keep saying, &quot;No, that&#039;s not what I mean&quot; over and over. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.Russ,<br />
When I post what I did a couple of weeks ago, I think you&#8217;ll see what I am shooting for. I have done a horrible job of explaining the thoughts behind my approach&#8211;so it&#8217;s no one&#8217;s fault but my own that I keep saying, &#8220;No, that&#8217;s not what I mean&#8221; over and over. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott B.</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2226</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B. Russ,
I agree--the part of this equation that I&#039;m not (clearly) doing a good job of communicating is the ad hoc use of these lessons: I go to sacrament meeting without planning on teaching, because typically an investigator doesn&#039;t show up. However, if one &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; show up, then I am asked to teach the lesson. Thus, &quot;planning&quot; for the lesson ahead of time is slightly different--it has to be such a lesson that requires no &quot;additional&quot; study time; it can be pulled out of my pocket at a moment&#039;s notice. 

The need for a lesson which can be given without preparation, and the need for a lesson which will knock peoples&#039; socks off, are typically directly opposed to teach other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B. Russ,<br />
I agree&#8211;the part of this equation that I&#8217;m not (clearly) doing a good job of communicating is the ad hoc use of these lessons: I go to sacrament meeting without planning on teaching, because typically an investigator doesn&#8217;t show up. However, if one <em>does</em> show up, then I am asked to teach the lesson. Thus, &#8220;planning&#8221; for the lesson ahead of time is slightly different&#8211;it has to be such a lesson that requires no &#8220;additional&#8221; study time; it can be pulled out of my pocket at a moment&#8217;s notice. </p>
<p>The need for a lesson which can be given without preparation, and the need for a lesson which will knock peoples&#8217; socks off, are typically directly opposed to teach other.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Russ</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, but in seriousness, it seems like with the line that you&#039;re trying to walk (and its a good idea) you&#039;re kind of limited to the basic principles of the gospel.  Kind of the stuff that the old &quot;six discussions&quot; were based off of.  

I think if I were to gather 5 lessons for first/second time investigators I would stick to:
The Godhead
The Atonement
The Restoration
Faith, Repentance, Baptism
Eternal Families

I know thats exactly the stuff they&#039;re getting from the missionaries already, but while they may seem like very basic things to us, around which every lesson we&#039;ve ever had has revolved, it might be a little harder to grasp the LDS nuance for an investigator, and just hearing them again from a different teacher might help them gain deeper understanding and appreciation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but in seriousness, it seems like with the line that you&#8217;re trying to walk (and its a good idea) you&#8217;re kind of limited to the basic principles of the gospel.  Kind of the stuff that the old &#8220;six discussions&#8221; were based off of.  </p>
<p>I think if I were to gather 5 lessons for first/second time investigators I would stick to:<br />
The Godhead<br />
The Atonement<br />
The Restoration<br />
Faith, Repentance, Baptism<br />
Eternal Families</p>
<p>I know thats exactly the stuff they&#8217;re getting from the missionaries already, but while they may seem like very basic things to us, around which every lesson we&#8217;ve ever had has revolved, it might be a little harder to grasp the LDS nuance for an investigator, and just hearing them again from a different teacher might help them gain deeper understanding and appreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Russ</title>
		<link>http://deadseriously.net/2010/07/24/gospel-essentials-redux/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B.Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find that usually if I pray before planning the lesson, find two or three scriptures that support the idea, and can tie it together with a personal experience, it usually works out great.  You just have to let the spirit guide you Scott.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that usually if I pray before planning the lesson, find two or three scriptures that support the idea, and can tie it together with a personal experience, it usually works out great.  You just have to let the spirit guide you Scott.</p>
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